Recent technique videos for noeymc

[Amyers]

Cool. Thanks.

I think what I noticed is that in every single clip, I seem to be releasing the ball with what I've heard called a "suitcase release". My thumb seems to be coming out first, but not very much sooner than the fingers. So, I think I still need to work a lot on the release. Or hope to just inhale the "gift"….hopefully sooner rather than later.

I have "tried" to change the release and stay behind and under the ball. All I can say is it hasn't worked very well thus far. I lose a LOT of accuracy if I take my focus away from targeting and instead focus on the wrist/snap to quickly bring the hand around the ball. But, I think I need to keep trying.

I've thought that the "bouncy steps" were more under control than in the past. Perhaps I still need to do a little more. I've been focusing a lot on targeting and accuracy which means I've sort of stopped focusing on the other elements of the approach. And that gets me into trouble sometimes because I lose focus on my timing. I have an intentional late timing…sort of like the old Anthony/Carter timing…but in some of those clips it was too late…and when I noticed that I went back to focusing on my timing and counting in my head…to make sure I wasn't at the line with the ball barely coming into the swing.

But, I'll keep working on it and take those comments into consideration. Anything "good" in the videos? The only thing I see as a positive is I seem to be doing a better job "posting" the shots…and I seem to have transitioned from the "hand to the ceiling" posting to the "hand towards the pins" posting. Not sure how much of a positive that is…but it's something I guess.

Aslan first let me say this looks much better than som of you older stuff. Your speed on the approach is better and I think your posting your shots very well.

I think your still a little fast mainly on your last two steps course I've been told that many time too.

On the release the big thing I see you need to have your hand in more the power position. There was an article someone posted a few days ago about this mainly it was about worrying less about cupped/uncupped and more about having the fingers at 7:00 which I thought was complicated but I realized if I kept my index finger pointed at the foul line and my hand behind underneath the ball it worked for me. On the release don't bring you hand up until it gets to your ankle and just let it happen it goes to quick for you to try and do something to the ball

Altogether I think you looked pretty good keep working the rest will come.

[fortheloveofbowling]

Amyers has a good point there with the fingers. The thing i think about is on your push away you should have a line between the inside of your elbow through your ring finger towards your target. That will put your arm/hand in the correct position. Then on the back swing to hold that position there is a saying pros work the inside of the ball and amateurs work the outside of the ball. That is something to look for in some videos but really keeps your hand in the right position until coming towards the bottom. Keep working on it man.

[Hampe]

Definitely don't let the drop in accuracy discourage you from changing your release. Getting your hand more behind the ball is going to raise the ceiling of your game. Your accuracy will be crap at first, sure, but your potential will be much higher. You've got hundreds of hours of practice with your current release, and only a few hours practice with your hand behind the ball.....of course the accuracy will be a lot worse! But now is the time you should be working on it, in the summer, when scores don't matter as much. I would recommend working on the release with a coach though.....its a very important part of your game, and the fewer bad habits you start with, the easier it will be later on.

The footwork is still not great, but it's much improved from before! You're actually starting to look like an actual bowler ;D

[Aslan]

DeThe footwork is still not great, but it's much improved from before! You're actually starting to look like an actual bowler ;D

Well, I won't go THAT far. Yeah, footwork is a problem because unless I concentrate on it...it's natural. It's actually easier to control things like release because I'm already concentrating on it. But things like balance arm, keeping slide leg down, and footwork...those are pretty much natural. I have concentrated enough on it to slow the steps down considerably. I noticed my "hop" is still there...but at least both feet are on the ground now! I'm going to continue to try to slow it down further and work on keeping my hand behind the ball...I think those are the 2 biggest areas where I can improve.

I probably won't see a coach for a little bit because I don't want to switch coaches again. Rob's instruction seems to be working...so I think I'll stay away from getting advice from others until I can go see Rob again. But since my current league is stupid and sweeps in Laughlin instead of Vegas...it means I probably won't be out his way till my next league sweeps next winter/spring. If I can make it out to Vegas sooner, then I'll definitely make that second lesson part of the trip. And I "might" be out there in September because I am 6th man on my old Friday league team...and they sweep in Vegas in September...just not sure if they'll need me or how it works for subs/6th men.

I still might do the occasional clinic...because it's cheap and I get to get input from PBA and USBC hall of famers. And I've been flirting with the idea of getting a lesson from Missy Parkin...she seemed nice (and cute) when I met her at the youth coaching thingy. But like I said...the LAST thing I want is to start over from scratch. Rob has me on a track that is working...and the fundamentals are getting better (spare shooting, repeatability, footwork)...I just need to be patient and wait for the strike rate to come around. I'm not the only one struggling since they replaced the wood lanes. My former coach and I were talking Thursday and he said he's been having trouble striking and his average is down in the 190s (formerlly in the 200-220s). That was encouraging that its not "just me". And hopefully, end of this month, I'll add a couple more pieces to my arsenal...that might help me find a better angle or something. Hopefully before sweeps in September.

[rv driver]

I second VDub. Your timing looks late, and I think that's what's causing the loft. Also (don't know if this is significant), I notice that your first step seems large and fast, and then your second seems more like a shuffle step. It could be the camera angle; it could be that that's what works for you, but normally I think the first step is smaller and slower than the subsequent steps.
Overall, your form looks pretty good, I think. The pins should cower...

[Bunny]

Well, I won't go THAT far. Yeah, footwork is a problem because unless I concentrate on it...it's natural. It's actually easier to control things like release because I'm already concentrating on it. But things like balance arm, keeping slide leg down, and footwork...those are pretty much natural. I have concentrated enough on it to slow the steps down considerably. I noticed my "hop" is still there...but at least both feet are on the ground now! I'm going to continue to try to slow it down further and work on keeping my hand behind the ball...I think those are the 2 biggest areas where I can improve.

I probably won't see a coach for a little bit because I don't want to switch coaches again. Rob's instruction seems to be working...so I think I'll stay away from getting advice from others until I can go see Rob again. But since my current league is stupid and sweeps in Laughlin instead of Vegas...it means I probably won't be out his way till my next league sweeps next winter/spring. If I can make it out to Vegas sooner, then I'll definitely make that second lesson part of the trip. And I "might" be out there in September because I am 6th man on my old Friday league team...and they sweep in Vegas in September...just not sure if they'll need me or how it works for subs/6th men.

I still might do the occasional clinic...because it's cheap and I get to get input from PBA and USBC hall of famers. And I've been flirting with the idea of getting a lesson from Missy Parkin...she seemed nice (and cute) when I met her at the youth coaching thingy. But like I said...the LAST thing I want is to start over from scratch. Rob has me on a track that is working...and the fundamentals are getting better (spare shooting, repeatability, footwork)...I just need to be patient and wait for the strike rate to come around. I'm not the only one struggling since they replaced the wood lanes. My former coach and I were talking Thursday and he said he's been having trouble striking and his average is down in the 190s (formerlly in the 200-220s). That was encouraging that its not "just me". And hopefully, end of this month, I'll add a couple more pieces to my arsenal...that might help me find a better angle or something. Hopefully before sweeps in September.

Rob did a great job with your game. You've really improved! You get credit as well for putting in all the practice hours. Rob should definitely be your first choice!!

(I was next to Missy as she gave an hour lesson. Meh, not impressed and a little pricey for what you get.)

I think your next best option is Mark's 1/2 hour lesson every other Wed at Fountain Bowl for $20 bucks. Just call and schedule with the front desk. I think he can see what Rob has done and tighten it back up. He doesn't try to change what you're already doing so much as seeing your best strike shot and making that more consistent.


My scores and strike percentage have really improved since my 1/2 hour with him last month! Best $20 I've spent!!!!!!!

[Aslan]

Rob did a great job with your game. You've really improved! You get credit as well for putting in all the practice hours. Rob should definitely be your first choice!!

(I was next to Missy as she gave an hour lesson. Meh, not impressed and a little pricey for what you get.)

I think your next best option is Mark's 1/2 hour lesson every other Wed at Fountain Bowl for $20 bucks. Just call and schedule with the front desk. I think he can see what Rob has done and tighten it back up. He doesn't try to change what you're already doing so much as seeing your best strike shot and making that more consistent.


My scores and strike percentage have really improved since my 1/2 hour with him last month! Best $20 I've spent!!!!!!!

Yeah, I know you're not a big "Missy fan". And, also, she IS married. If she were single, then, it'd be a no-brainer.

We're lucky though, here in California. A LOT of qualified coaches compared to other areas of the country.

Mark is certainly on my list as well. His teaching skills are well-renowned. I'd love to do Camp Bakkes...just way too pricey for my budget right now. But down the road, I might do the lesson like you got for your husband. I'm just trying to change my strategy a "bit" after working with Rob. My old strategy was to be like a sponge and just soak in all the advice I could get from anyone halfway qualified. But after working with Rob, I realized that not only might that have a "negative side", it's also sort of a negative because of the way I am/think/etc... For example;

- Coach 1...high loft speed (wood lanes)...then I try to incorporate Barry's sort of old school "square to the foul line" approach...then I'm trying to incorporate Joe Slowinski's DYDS elements....I mean, at the end of the day I felt like Frankenstein. Sure, I had all these elements all sewn into my game...but they were competing with each other.

- And as to my "personality"...the more I soaked in...the more I was "in my head". So instead of just getting in a good stance, visualizing the shot, and just throwing the dang ball....I was SO much into my head that I on occasion will:
1) Throw the wrong ball.
2) Start out on the wrong foot.
3) Forget to move laterally for a spare leave.
4) Throw a back-up ball accidentally (my wrist went up the inside instead of the outside).

Everyone has little brain farts on occasion...as I did yesterday when I threw the wrong ball in the VBT. But when you're trying to concentrate on 8-9 things while also taking the proper steps and having timing and release...it's like being all tied up in a fishing net and trying to dance like a ballerina.

So when I met Rob and had my lesson...he kinda stripped it down to the bare bones...and then gave me about 7 things to work on, over time. And he commented, that he normally wouldn't even give me that many, especially knowing how I get into my own head, but since he probably wouldn't work with me again for at least 6 months...it was okay.

So I still on occasion go to the clinic at Fountain Bowl....I mean, it's a bargain and just really cool to be in the presence of those guys...but I'm careful not to "re-invent" my game or start "sewing things together".

Thats what made yesterday's practice (I practiced 9 games after the VBT, in Concourse) so frustrating. Suddenly, trying to get more behind the ball...I was back to "firing" it at probably 18-20mph. And I didn't want to just automatically give up...because some changes take some time to get used to...and I don't want to be impatient. But on the other hand, I was thinking, "would Rob want me to revert back to this higher speed?"

Kidding aside...Iceman's "gift theory" sounds AWESOME! If I had some magical "gift"...where I don't need any help or coaching or ball reps or ball changes...I just have some natural ability to strike with minimal effort...that would be awesome!! But I don't. I need the help and instruction.

But, thanks. I agree that my game is better than it was when we bowled together in that first league at Carter. I should hope so, given the thousands of dollars and 600-700 games of practice I've spent in the 10 months since. And you weren't doing half bad yourself!! That Hammer Deadly Aim was crushing the pins for ya..and your shot was even more consistent than it used to be.

[Amyers]

You really can get too much coaching especially if they are competing styles. Everyone has a way to bowl that is comfortable to them and the trick is to realize which elements of your game work over the long hall and which ones don't. If anyone ever figures out a way to do this move elements of your game and which other styles they match up with best it would be a boon to all of us. Unfortunately a lot of coaches get it in their head that your better off reinventing the wheel and doing it their way. Not all of them are that way but some are.

All you have to do is watch a PBA telecast and you can see their are a lot of different ways to get to the top. Most of us will never bowl like any of those guys but some things they do can translate into our games. the trick is changing what needs to change and leaving the rest alone. I know easier said than done.

[Bunny]

Yeah, I know you're not a big "Missy fan". And, also, she IS married. If she were single, then, it'd be a no-brainer.

We're lucky though, here in California. A LOT of qualified coaches compared to other areas of the country.

Mark is certainly on my list as well. His teaching skills are well-renowned. I'd love to do Camp Bakkes...just way too pricey for my budget right now. But down the road, I might do the lesson like you got for your husband. I'm just trying to change my strategy a "bit" after working with Rob. My old strategy was to be like a sponge and just soak in all the advice I could get from anyone halfway qualified. But after working with Rob, I realized that not only might that have a "negative side", it's also sort of a negative because of the way I am/think/etc... For example;

- Coach 1...high loft speed (wood lanes)...then I try to incorporate Barry's sort of old school "square to the foul line" approach...then I'm trying to incorporate Joe Slowinski's DYDS elements....I mean, at the end of the day I felt like Frankenstein. Sure, I had all these elements all sewn into my game...but they were competing with each other.

- And as to my "personality"...the more I soaked in...the more I was "in my head". So instead of just getting in a good stance, visualizing the shot, and just throwing the dang ball....I was SO much into my head that I on occasion will:
1) Throw the wrong ball.
2) Start out on the wrong foot.
3) Forget to move laterally for a spare leave.
4) Throw a back-up ball accidentally (my wrist went up the inside instead of the outside).

Everyone has little brain farts on occasion...as I did yesterday when I threw the wrong ball in the VBT. But when you're trying to concentrate on 8-9 things while also taking the proper steps and having timing and release...it's like being all tied up in a fishing net and trying to dance like a ballerina.

So when I met Rob and had my lesson...he kinda stripped it down to the bare bones...and then gave me about 7 things to work on, over time. And he commented, that he normally wouldn't even give me that many, especially knowing how I get into my own head, but since he probably wouldn't work with me again for at least 6 months...it was okay.

So I still on occasion go to the clinic at Fountain Bowl....I mean, it's a bargain and just really cool to be in the presence of those guys...but I'm careful not to "re-invent" my game or start "sewing things together".

Thats what made yesterday's practice (I practiced 9 games after the VBT, in Concourse) so frustrating. Suddenly, trying to get more behind the ball...I was back to "firing" it at probably 18-20mph. And I didn't want to just automatically give up...because some changes take some time to get used to...and I don't want to be impatient. But on the other hand, I was thinking, "would Rob want me to revert back to this higher speed?"

Kidding aside...Iceman's "gift theory" sounds AWESOME! If I had some magical "gift"...where I don't need any help or coaching or ball reps or ball changes...I just have some natural ability to strike with minimal effort...that would be awesome!! But I don't. I need the help and instruction.

But, thanks. I agree that my game is better than it was when we bowled together in that first league at Carter. I should hope so, given the thousands of dollars and 600-700 games of practice I've spent in the 10 months since. And you weren't doing half bad yourself!! That Hammer Deadly Aim was crushing the pins for ya..and your shot was even more consistent than it used to be.

Thanks. Those were super messy conditions yesterday at Forest and tough to figure out.

Camp Bakes would be friggen awesome! We figured $1500 per person with gas, lodging, dinners and incidentals. I'd love to send my husband for his birthday in October, but it's just too much money.

The Saturday clinic is okay. I've been a few times. But, the $20 1/2 hour with Mark is an amazing deal. An hour is almost too much to absorb at one time. I really don't think Mark is going to change what Rob has done. That's not what he does. He'll just tighten it up.

Oh, and forget everything that guy at Concourse told you. I've met him a couple of times. He tried to give me some tips. He's nice enough but his bowling advice sucks. He tries to make every bowler fit his mold. There's no comparison in any way shape or form to Mark or Rob.

Do a 1/2 hour lesson with Mark for 20 measly bucks!! I guarantee you will see improvement!!!


Shhhh. The Deadly Aim is my secret weapon. Hubby got it for me for our anniversary. Turns out the 22nd year anniversary is Carbon-Fiber. Or leather. He got a pair of SST 8s!

[rv driver]

Yeah, I know you're not a big "Missy fan". And, also, she IS married. If she were single, then, it'd be a no-brainer.

We're lucky though, here in California. A LOT of qualified coaches compared to other areas of the country.

Mark is certainly on my list as well. His teaching skills are well-renowned. I'd love to do Camp Bakkes...just way too pricey for my budget right now. But down the road, I might do the lesson like you got for your husband. I'm just trying to change my strategy a "bit" after working with Rob. My old strategy was to be like a sponge and just soak in all the advice I could get from anyone halfway qualified. But after working with Rob, I realized that not only might that have a "negative side", it's also sort of a negative because of the way I am/think/etc... For example;

- Coach 1...high loft speed (wood lanes)...then I try to incorporate Barry's sort of old school "square to the foul line" approach...then I'm trying to incorporate Joe Slowinski's DYDS elements....I mean, at the end of the day I felt like Frankenstein. Sure, I had all these elements all sewn into my game...but they were competing with each other.

- And as to my "personality"...the more I soaked in...the more I was "in my head". So instead of just getting in a good stance, visualizing the shot, and just throwing the dang ball....I was SO much into my head that I on occasion will:
1) Throw the wrong ball.
2) Start out on the wrong foot.
3) Forget to move laterally for a spare leave.
4) Throw a back-up ball accidentally (my wrist went up the inside instead of the outside).

Everyone has little brain farts on occasion...as I did yesterday when I threw the wrong ball in the VBT. But when you're trying to concentrate on 8-9 things while also taking the proper steps and having timing and release...it's like being all tied up in a fishing net and trying to dance like a ballerina.

So when I met Rob and had my lesson...he kinda stripped it down to the bare bones...and then gave me about 7 things to work on, over time. And he commented, that he normally wouldn't even give me that many, especially knowing how I get into my own head, but since he probably wouldn't work with me again for at least 6 months...it was okay.

So I still on occasion go to the clinic at Fountain Bowl....I mean, it's a bargain and just really cool to be in the presence of those guys...but I'm careful not to "re-invent" my game or start "sewing things together".

Thats what made yesterday's practice (I practiced 9 games after the VBT, in Concourse) so frustrating. Suddenly, trying to get more behind the ball...I was back to "firing" it at probably 18-20mph. And I didn't want to just automatically give up...because some changes take some time to get used to...and I don't want to be impatient. But on the other hand, I was thinking, "would Rob want me to revert back to this higher speed?"

Kidding aside...Iceman's "gift theory" sounds AWESOME! If I had some magical "gift"...where I don't need any help or coaching or ball reps or ball changes...I just have some natural ability to strike with minimal effort...that would be awesome!! But I don't. I need the help and instruction.

But, thanks. I agree that my game is better than it was when we bowled together in that first league at Carter. I should hope so, given the thousands of dollars and 600-700 games of practice I've spent in the 10 months since. And you weren't doing half bad yourself!! That Hammer Deadly Aim was crushing the pins for ya..and your shot was even more consistent than it used to be.

Maybe you just need to switch cologne?

Seriously! You know how Ferarri and Jaguar have colognes? I think Storm needs a line of cologne that smells like their bowling balls. That should up your game!

On a real serious note, I think perhaps that different coaches visualize and teach the same techniques in different ways, using different terminology. I also suspect that there are many different legitimate approaches to the game, and different coaches teach different approaches. That doesn't mean that you cobble together all the approaches into some kind of -- as you say -- Frankenstein's monster. It means that you find an approach that works for you, and you develop it. I know that's the way it is when approaching learning and mastering musical instruments. Don't try to take the best of several coaches; simply find a coach with whom you mesh and let that person coach you! You've identified the problem: You're in your own head too much. Get out of it and throw the ball.